For the sake of simplicity in this post, I'm dividing our next steps into two groups: group 1- we both (Sam and I) have a genetic relationship, and group 2- one and/or both of us do not have a genetic relationship with our child.
I'm currently struggling with our next steps. Unfortunately, I don't even really know what I want, which makes it particularly hard to agree (or disagree) with Sam about any of it. Every time I try to talk about any of the options, I start to cry. I'm feeling particularly vulnerable at the moment and all possible plans make me feel even more so. But I like to have plans, so I continue to think through them even if it's uncomfortable.
There are things that I like and don't like about each of the possible plans. I like that domestic infant adoption feels quick(ish)… it's certainly not a guarantee, but the possibility is there. I like that IVF gives me the potential to overcome infertility. I like that donor embryos is acheap less expensive option. But with all the plans that fall into group 2 (donor egg, donor embryo, domestic and international adoption) I have a couple of things that I really don't like, a couple of things that I'm afraid of and can't seem to work through.
There are things that I like and don't like about each of the possible plans. I like that domestic infant adoption feels quick(ish)… it's certainly not a guarantee, but the possibility is there. I like that IVF gives me the potential to overcome infertility. I like that donor embryos is a
I've said several times before that adoption has always been a part of my family building plan. In my teens and early twenties, my dream was for 4-5 biological children first and then 1-2 adopted children, specifically via international adoption. To say I had a rose colored glasses view of adoption would be an understatement. I had never heard of adoption scams, or stealing infants from hospitals. I would never have dreamed that there was an underground rehoming network taking place in my own country. Adoption just seemed beautiful: it was all about rescue and redemption. I never thought I might need adoption in order to have a family, so it seemed almost ministerial rather than simply family building.
My view of adoption has slowly changed. I'm honestly a little afraid of adoption. I'm afraid of getting in over my head, of unknowingly contributing to crime, of separating a child from his/her first family unnecessarily. In no way do I mean to say that adoption is bad. I have many, many friends who have or are currently adopting. I've seen adoption work. I've seen adoption be beautiful just like I imagined. But I've also heard things that make me nervous, things that seem to freeze my feet in place.
My greatest fear with adoption seems to be spreading into all forms of family building that don't have a genetic connection, essentially all plans in group 2. My greatest fears center around the third party... the biological mother and/or father. Whether you want to admit it or not, adoption, donor embryo, and donor egg/sperm all have a third party involved. The fact that I would not have a genetic reflection in the face of my child isn't what I'm afraid of... looking at my child and not seeing high cheekbones or thick brown hair doesn't frighten me. What scares me is how the third party (or lack there of) might affect my child. How not knowing anything about his biological mom might forever leave a giant hole in his life. It seems to be a nonissue for some kids and a giant deal for others… I'm not sure if the difference is in the children or how they are raised.
In donor egg/sperm situations there is almost always no information available. In some instances, the couple receiving the eggs only knows height, weight, hair and eye color, and education level. Other than that, they simply know the donor passed whatever sort of preliminary tests required of donors. Unlike is most adoptions, even once the child turns 18, there is simply no additional information to provide the child… she will never know more about the woman who helped create her. The lack of information is typically to protect the donor from a child/children hunting for her years later. I don't think this eliminates donor eggs for us, but it's certainly something to think about, something to prepare for, something to process.
In donor egg/sperm situations there is almost always no information available. In some instances, the couple receiving the eggs only knows height, weight, hair and eye color, and education level. Other than that, they simply know the donor passed whatever sort of preliminary tests required of donors. Unlike is most adoptions, even once the child turns 18, there is simply no additional information to provide the child… she will never know more about the woman who helped create her. The lack of information is typically to protect the donor from a child/children hunting for her years later. I don't think this eliminates donor eggs for us, but it's certainly something to think about, something to prepare for, something to process.
If the fear of raising a child who feels like a giant piece is missing from her life due to the lack of information frightens us, it seems that our next steps should be some form of open adoption or open embryo donation. But the moment I hear "open" an entire new set of fears arise. I'm not sure if it makes me insecure or shallow but the idea of my child knowing and/or seeing his biological parents scares the dickens out of me. My dream of parenting never included a third party... the "adoption triad" as it's called. I understand why it's often the best situation for the child, but oh my heart. I'm not sure if I'm mature enough to handle that dynamic... I imagine I would forever be jealous of any connection my child might have with his/her biological parents. Meeting up at a park or inviting them to birthday parties scares me... and not simply because our parenting styles might be different or they might not be people I'd naturally choose for my child to hang out with. My biggest fear is that my child would prefer them over me. (insecure much?)
I can literally hear it ring in my ears, "you're not my mom." She might scream it as she turns, flouncing her hair, and slamming her bedroom door. The words probably came following a fight about boys or make-up. I'm pretty sure I said equally mean and hurtful things to my parents growing up, but that phrase might just rip my heart out if I ever hear it. It might be my biggest fear about losing the genetic connection with my kid(s). I certainly don't want to raise kids who feel incomplete, but I'm also afraid of allowing the biological parents into our lives. I'm afraid of how the third party would change my relationship with my child. It all just feels scary and foreign in ways I wasn't prepared to feel until group 2 was really right in front of me.
All of these thoughts have been swirling around ever since I wrote "Plans G-K". I had asked Sam several weeks ago to start thinking through our options so that we could discuss it soon. We finally talked about how we each feel about the different plans this past weekend. Essentially, I feel like we have six options (not including another FET or living child-free).
Sam's list: 3, 5, 6, 1, 4, 2
Amanda's list: 1, 5, 6, 3, 2, 4
Sam likes adoption for two things: he thinks it will be faster and that it's more of a sure thing.
I like IVF with CCRM (or other really good clinics) because it eliminates all of my above fears and allows me another shot at beating infertility (I'm not normally so competitive). International adoption is at the bottom of my list because, if this happens to be the only child we ever have, I don't want to miss having a baby. And I think repeating IVF at FIRM is at the bottom of both of our lists because of my poor response. It just seems dumb to repeat the same thing and hope for different results.
So how do we move forward from here?Obviously, we arm wrestle for it. I think the best move from here is to research each of our top options first. We might have a phone consult at CCRM and go to a few informational meetings at a couple adoption agencies. I've just finished reading Called to Adoption: A Christian's Guide to Answering the Call. I'm on the hunt for other good reads. I don't think we're in a desperate hurry to make up our minds… I'm in a desperate hurry to have a baby, but as all options cost a good chunk of change, it won't be any time soon. We've got time to research and talk and pray… hopefully our next steps will seem clearer to both of us with time. I do think I'll schedule a consult with Dr. Duffy at FIRM in the coming weeks to at least discuss the possibility of transferring all four remaining embryos. If he likes that idea, that may be our next step as it's certainly the cheapest and we'll have fully exhausted our options before moving forward.
Essentially, all of these are good options… there's no bad option here is it brings us a child of our own. But that doesn't mean choosing is easy… these are hard choices to make. These are decisions that I never in my wildest dreams thought we'd be making, not even when infertility was dumped on us. I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the reality of our life. There are moments when I just want to cry, tell God he's completely unfair, and refuse to give up any more than I already have. In those moments I just want a baby without stress or fear, without worry or heartache… I just want it to be simple. But simple it is not. I certainly don't believe the old saying that the Lord won't give us more than we can handle… I think the story of Job pretty clearly disputes that. But I do think wherever He leads me or allows my life to go, He'll see me through. He's allowed infertility to be a part of my life for one reason or another… I have to believe He'll see me to the other side, hard choices and all.
All of these thoughts have been swirling around ever since I wrote "Plans G-K". I had asked Sam several weeks ago to start thinking through our options so that we could discuss it soon. We finally talked about how we each feel about the different plans this past weekend. Essentially, I feel like we have six options (not including another FET or living child-free).
- Expensive IVF: Somewhere with GOOD statistics like CCRM or maybe Advanced Fertility Centers of Chicago
- Cheap(er) IVF: It would be $1000 less to go back to FIRM (which was already a fraction of the cost) for another round
- Domestic Adoption
- International Adoption
- Donor Eggs
- Donor Embryos
It should be shocking to no one that Sam and I didn't list our options in the same order. That would make things way too easy.
Sam's list: 3, 5, 6, 1, 4, 2
Amanda's list: 1, 5, 6, 3, 2, 4
Sam likes adoption for two things: he thinks it will be faster and that it's more of a sure thing.
I like IVF with CCRM (or other really good clinics) because it eliminates all of my above fears and allows me another shot at beating infertility (I'm not normally so competitive). International adoption is at the bottom of my list because, if this happens to be the only child we ever have, I don't want to miss having a baby. And I think repeating IVF at FIRM is at the bottom of both of our lists because of my poor response. It just seems dumb to repeat the same thing and hope for different results.
So how do we move forward from here?
Essentially, all of these are good options… there's no bad option here is it brings us a child of our own. But that doesn't mean choosing is easy… these are hard choices to make. These are decisions that I never in my wildest dreams thought we'd be making, not even when infertility was dumped on us. I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the reality of our life. There are moments when I just want to cry, tell God he's completely unfair, and refuse to give up any more than I already have. In those moments I just want a baby without stress or fear, without worry or heartache… I just want it to be simple. But simple it is not. I certainly don't believe the old saying that the Lord won't give us more than we can handle… I think the story of Job pretty clearly disputes that. But I do think wherever He leads me or allows my life to go, He'll see me through. He's allowed infertility to be a part of my life for one reason or another… I have to believe He'll see me to the other side, hard choices and all.
My heart broke for you when I heard the sad news. I think it's a great idea to be considering your next steps. I'm the same way, I want a "next plan" before the current plan is even done. I loved seeing the humor in this post, and even more loved seeing that you are relying on your faith in God to carry you through whatever your family building will ultimately look like. Praying for you as you make these tough decisions!
ReplyDeleteIt made me so sad to read your previous post. I will still continue to pray for you and your husband as you move forward with your next steps. My husband and I kind of started backwards. We started with adoption, but knew there would be no way to afford an international or even private adoption here (in Canada). We ended up choosing the route of a public adoption through Children's Aid. Have you thought about a public adoption? I hope you find your answers soon and I pray God blesses you with the large family you have always wanted!
ReplyDeleteUgh. I really hate thinking about next steps. I will say, though...I waffled for years over choosing a next step. I had all the same hangups about adoption and wanting to physically beat infertility. My brain could not figure out how to move past it all. So I just waited. And waited and waited, and I had all the time in the world because I didn't have enough money to do anything anyway, ha. I'd heard that you would never emotionally be ready to pursue adoption unless you fully mourned the loss of your ability to be pregnant and somehow move past that...and I just KNEW that I wasn't there yet. And then one day...I just was. I have no idea what happened, but one day it just didn't matter in the same way that I may not get to experience pregnancy. I still CARED, but not in the same way that crushed my soul the day before. I was able to recognize and acknowledge the facts and start moving forward. It was the weirdest thing that I still don't really understand, but it was only then that I started being able to consider adoption without being flooded with fear and anxiety. So I don't have any great advice for how to get there, but for me, it was time away from all the anxiety-fraught 'planning.' I couldn't talk or reason myself into emotional peace, it was something that time (and/or God) did. I pray you'll find yourself at peace (no matter what that means in terms of your next steps) soon, friend.
ReplyDeleteIt is so hard to navigate these choices and the price tags (emotionally, physically, spiritually, financially) that go along with them. I've been there and it sucks to say the least. There are no easy answers. And then, when you've decided, you have to agree and sometimes compromise with hubby. :S
ReplyDeleteThere is just one thing that I wanted to add to your list about egg donation. Maybe you know this, and if so, please forgive me. You can get an agency donor (a third party agency that finds you a donor) where the donor agrees to have some degree of contact. The relationship can be whatever you and that donor feel comfortable with. You can go online and look at egg donors with a free 30 day trial if you want to see what type of information is available on them. It adds about $6000 to the cost to use an agency donor.
Also something to consider about donor egg, is that the Sart data shows that donor egg can be successful with any decent clinic, not just the best ones. And the prices can be so different that choosing a decent clinic over the best one means that you could have a price tag half the size, giving you possibly twice the chances.
Oh, and I suppose one other thing to consider if you are interviewing other clinics is what their donor program looks like, even if you went there for IVF. CCRM is great because they have already frozen eggs ready (albeit, it's a small pool of them). What sucks about CCRM is that their in-house donors are all anonymous, but some can be "identity released" when the child is 18.
Donor embryo is something I've done in the past too. The tricky thing is that a lot of the time you don't know the quality of the embryos you are getting. The couple who made them was infertile and usually had a baby. Which means that maybe the good embryos from their batch were already used to achieve their pregnancy. If I was to do donor embryos again I'd choose (if possible) a younger woman's eggs, and it would be fantastic to find a couple where the infertility was due to the male issues. Most chromosomal issues according to CCRM are due to the egg. I forget the exact statistic, but it was high, like 95% of chromosomal errors being due to the egg not the sperm.
Thinking of you and wishing you well as you navigate these choices.
I love the way you laid everything out and I'm book marking this post for my own future needs and conversations with my husband. It's a great, comprehensive list. I have the exact same hang ups as you with the third party group of options. I do actually think I am the type of person who would be great for adoption (whether that path is actual adoption or egg/embryo adoption). Although I would of course mourn the loss of a biological connection to my child I know in my heart I could fully love him or her without reservations or issues. My fears lie in the unknown of the third party and how my child would handle that. I fear if there was a relationship there it would make me feel insecure and jealous And that is my main issue. And frankly I've been so caught up in that I haven't thought about the effects of egg/embryo adoption on the child and how they may feel a piece of them is missing. I have thought about how I would tell them and that I would be honest with them about how they were conceived early on. You make a great point though with how they are raised playing a big part in how they feel about it.
ReplyDeleteSo much to think about. I'm glad you are going to consult with FIRM. And although you and Sam's lists are in different orders you do have the same options towards the top of your lists and the bottom so that's helpful. I love that your faith hasn't wavered (I can't always say the same for myself) and that you are finding comfort that God will see you through this one way or another. Always thinking about you, praying for you, and here for you!
I could have written your section on adoption. I have always planned to adopt someday, originally planning to after having 3-4 biological children. But in my mind, adoption was easy - there were millions of adorable orphan babies just waiting for me to adopt them. Even as I grew up and learned more about the system, I figured I'd be willing to spend the time and money to help these poor children. But now, as I'm doing more and more research, I'm realizing just how difficult it really is to adopt. And expensive! And there's almost always a third party involved. It's heartbreaking, and it terrifies me to start the process.
ReplyDeleteYou have laid this out all so well. I'm praying for you as you make these tough choices for you and your family!
I hate that you have to think about all of this. But I'm glad you are sorting through what you WANT most out of your options. No one can tell you which of the six options to choose (wouldn't it be so much easier if someone could though?!) and no one can tell you out of the six options, which one will bring you your miracle baby. I obviously have a lot of information and personal opinions about CCRM. I tend not to go into them publicly on my blog though, just because everyone's opinions and experiences are their own- but email me if you want to talk more about it- about the details (I have lots to share) :) XOXOX
ReplyDeleteAmanda, I don't have any advice, I just wanted to say I will be thinking of you and praying for peace and assurance about the next step.
ReplyDeleteOh, sweet Amanda. :( Why can't insert object A into part B and BAM be an option?! I hate it! I'm so sorry ... Gosh, why can't IVF be the right option?! I know these decisions are hard ... I hope you and Sam are guided to your family-building plan He has in store for you very soon. At some point it's like, "Okay, I surrender. Where's my baby going to come from? I'll just do that and be done with this crap ..." xoxo
ReplyDeleteUgh, this is tough stuff. Praying that God will show you clearly what He wants you to do.
ReplyDeleteAmanda, I so love this. It's my thoughts feelings on so many things. I too always thought I would adopt (also more as a ministry type situation) but your fears are the same as mine. Darren and I have discussed the idea of going after adoption while still trying to get pregnant on our own. The costs are insane and by no means are we "rich" but I figure I would NEVER regret a huge loan if it means I get my family and OUT of this infertile hell. We talked about adopting to fill that void of wanting to be parents and giving ourselves a little break but then saving up to do IVF again. However, in our situation with holding Jude, I've gotten a little bit more crazy with trying again-BUT our frozen embryos are no guarantee either and there is so much drama and expense leading up to it. I don't mean to be writing a book, BUT I just want you to know I appreciate your openess and I 100% relate. Hard decisions is a perfect title. I KNOW that you are a Christian and that He will lead you to both feel peace about options 1-6 :) Hang in there, I'm still in the trenches with you too but I know this isn't the end. Much love.
ReplyDeleteYou requested information and I'm going to give you what I have.
ReplyDeleteFor reading material about adoption:
1) Adopting: Sound Choices, Strong Families by Patricia Irwin Johnston
This is a great overview on adoption and all the things to consider. Particularly the expenses, discussion of openness and dealing with all the emotions around making this choice.
2) For open adoption: The Open-Hearted Way to Open Adoption by Lori Holden; with Crystal Hass and Hospitious Adoption by James Gritter. Both are excellent resources.
Finally, as far as moving forward with fertility treatments, I do think getting a second opinion is a sound idea. Talking with CCRM is a good choice. I want to offer you another. I have a very good friend who works for a company called Fertility Authority. (http://the2weekwait.blogspot.com/2014/01/infertility-confidential-infertility.html). And I credit her for helping me find a RE who ultimately helped me get and stay pregnant. You can contact her directly or if you leave me a comment I can do the introduction. Regardless, I think getting a couple of opinions is worthwhile and FA is set up to help find doctors for patients who need that second (or third) opinion.
I like that you're doing such a good thorough job researching everything so pragmatically. It's so hard to have to think of these next steps but you're doing an awesome job.
ReplyDeleteI'm nodding my head with every sentence you wrote!!! If you ever want to talk/email with someone about adoption, please comment on my blog and I'll get you my email address. We have an open relationship and there are moments that I'm also afraid that as N grows up that he will want to be closer to his birthparents, but right now it's no kind of issue at all and we are 100% confident that God brought about the whole situation. And that he was MEANT to be in our family. Also, with the help of the adoption tax credit and a couple of fundraisers we were literally reimbursed 100% for our adoption. I know that doesn't happen all the time, but it did for us and I can share more of that with you too (includes choosing a less expensive, and highly ethical agency).
ReplyDeleteSO MANY hugs to you guys. It's just the pits to want a big family and have a million road blocks along the way. :(
I just want to say that you are processing this so well. I wish you didn't have to process it, think through the pros and cons, ranks and so suds everything. But you really are doing an awesome job with all of the above. And doing it together with Sam! I reccomend "having your baby through egg donation" and I want to add that I think you may be surprised by how much information you get about your donor - we basically know everything about ours besides name, DOB, SSN and address'
ReplyDeleteI completely agree with Erika. And your priority list seems to confirm that. All of the options that don't include a genetic connection are so difficult to swallow...as long as you're still considering IVF with your own eggs. You'll let go of more of those fears and overcome them when you're faced with "this" or living child free. And it doesn't seem like you're there yet. Praying you'll find clarity in your decision. Even though I didn't find success at ccrm, it might be a good option fr you.
ReplyDeleteMy heart hurts for you guys. I can't imagine having to make the choices that you are up against. I do know that as a couple you will figure out what that right choice is and move forward from there. I also know that you will be parents, and you will be great parents. I will continue to pray for you and what you are going through.
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry that you have to make such hard decisions. For me, it was a progression, I really wanted to have a biological child over experiencing pregnancy, then it was I just wanted a child no matter what. We looked into both open domestic adoptions and international and we were definitely looking more at domestic because of the timeline. The idea of an open adoption was tough for both my husband and I, especially for him, we really weren't sure how involved we wanted to be with the birth parents. I hope you get some clarity in the situation. I continue to pray for you!
ReplyDeleteI'm so sorry that you are having to consider all of this, especially when this last FET is so recent. Praying for peace and clarity.
ReplyDeleteIf you are interested in talking about our family's experience with donor gametes (with me as an egg donor and later as a donor sperm recipient), please email me.
I'm so sorry you are in a place where you have to make these hard choices. I used to have such a rose-colored view of adoption, too, and seeing the harsh reality makes it so much harder to choose this route. Maybe a few consults, both with top-of-the-line clinics and with adoption agencies, can help you both clarify what a realistic outlook is, and hopefully help you find a more similar ranking of the options. Hugs.
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